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DE... Lay off man. the point he is makeing is he does not know the darn maker of the template.. get real.. the template he use's for his viewer rims was made by ME... I got the front of the tire from TLS. Thanks brian.. and the rear portion of the tire template I took of of the tire template that came with my viewer.. .. I think he is doing a great job with these rims for the viewer.. cant u just say that and move on??